
    In re DYCOAL, INC., Debtor. Dycoal, Inc., et al., Plaintiffs, v. Internal Revenue Service, et al., Defendants.
    Bankruptcy No. 99-24594-MBM.
    Adversary No. 05-2206-MBM.
    United States Bankruptcy Court, W.D. Pennsylvania.
    June 30, 2005.
    
      Michael J. Kaminski, Thorp, Reed & Armstrong, LLP, Pittsburgh, PA, for Dy-coal, Inc.
    Robert G. Sable, David Swan, McGuire Woods LLP, Pittsburgh, PA, for Northwestern Synfuels LLC, et al.
    Joel M. Helmrich, Meyer, Unkovic & Scott, Pittsburgh, PA, for H. Briquetters Ltd., et al.
    Dara B. Oliphant, U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, D.C., for Internal Revenue Service.
   MEMORANDUM OPINION

m. bruce McCullough, chief Judge.

Dycoal, Inc., the instant debtor (hereafter “the Debtor”), and other entities who claim to presently hold ownership interests in five briquetters (hereafter collectively “Plaintiffs”), which briquetters (hereafter “the Briquetters”) were owned by the Debtor pre-petition but have since been transferred to such entities, bring the instant three-count adversary action against, among other named defendants, the Internal Revenue Service (hereafter “the I.R.S.”). Plaintiffs seek the following relief via such adversary action:

(a) a determination by the Court regarding ownership of title to the Bri-quetters, and, inter alia, a determination that such title no longer rests with the bankruptcy estate of the Debtor (Count I),
(b) a declaration, issued by the Court pursuant to 11 U.S.C. § 505(a)(1), to the apparent effect that synthetic fuel produced by the Briquetters prior to the confirmation of the Debtor’s reorganization plan (hereafter “the Plan”) qualified for, and thus generated pre-confirmation, tax credits under Internal Revenue Code (I.R.C.) § 29, notwithstanding that a federal income tax return has yet to be filed with the I.R.S., either pre- or post-confirmation, that reflects the utilization of such tax credits so generated (Count II), and
(c) enforcement of the June 2, 2000 court order that confirmed the Plan (hereafter “the Confirmation Order”) as against the I.R.S. on the ground that the Confirmation Order and the provisions of the Plan so confirmed bind the I.R.S. such that it may not now challenge factual findings set forth in the Confirmation Order that purport to establish all factual predicates necessary to a determination that the synthetic fuel produced by the Briquetters did, indeed, generate I.R.C. § 29 tax credits (hereafter “the Tax Credit Findings”) (Count III).

The I.R.S., who is named as a party defendant in Counts II and III of Plaintiffs’ adversary action, brings a motion for judgment on the pleadings. Counts II and III are the only counts for which the I.R.S. is a named party defendant, and the I.R.S. is the sole named party defendant for each such count.

The Court, in an Order of Court dated May 27, 2005, (a) granted such motion by the I.R.S. with respect to Count III, (b) deferred ruling on such motion as it regards Count II, and (c) continued Count I until the Debtor provides further information to the Court so as to enable the Court to grant the relief sought therein. Subsequent to the Court’s May 27, 2005 ruling, Plaintiffs moved for reconsideration to alter or amend such ruling as it pertains to Plaintiffs’ Count III, and simultaneously filed a memorandum both (a) in support of such motion to reconsider, and (b) with respect to issues touching upon Plaintiffs’ Count II, which count the Court has yet to rule upon. The Court will not presently rule upon Plaintiffs’ reconsideration request as it respects their Count III given that a future hearing has been scheduled and not yet held regarding the same. However, the Court will now enter its decision regarding Plaintiffs’ Count II.

Because the Court’s decision regarding Plaintiffs’ Count III affects the Court’s decision regarding Plaintiffs’ Count II, the Court will first say a few words regarding such Count III. The Court ruled in the I.R.S.’ favor on Count III because the Court determined, in turn, that the I.R.S. is not bound by the terms of the Plan and the Confirmation Order. The Court held that the I.R.S. is not so bound

because, even presuming arguendo that the I.R.S. was a party-in-interest with respect to the instant bankruptcy case pursuant to 11 U.S.C. § 1109(b), the I.R.S. nevertheless was not, as Plaintiffs apparently concede, one of the parties expressly described in 11 U.S.C. § 1141(a), which statutory provision, the Court holds, sets forth, with exceptions not applicable herein, the universe of parties that may be bound by a confirmed plan or order that confirms such plan, see In re Union Golf of Florida, Inc., 242 B.R. 51, 59-60 (Bankr.M.D.Fla.1998).

Order of Court, dat. May 27, 2005, at 2-3. Such decision is supported not only by the Union Golf decision but also by several decisions cited therein, see Union Golf, 242 B.R. at 56-57 (citing In re Food City, Inc., 110 B.R. 808, 813 (Bankr.W.D.Tex.1990) (holding that “the S.E.C. does not qualify as a ‘creditor’ of the estate bound by the confirmed plan” pursuant to § 1141(a) and that, therefore, “[t]he S.E.C. would thus not be barred from enforcing the securities laws with respect to the violation arising out of the plan notwithstanding its confirmation by court order”), and In re Norwesco Development Corp., 68 B.R. 123, 127 (Bankr.W.D.Pa.1986) (holding that a government agency seeking to enforce a prior order regarding pre-petition acts of a debt- or is not bound by a confirmed plan (a) if such agency fails to participate in the confirmation of such plan, (b) if the obligations that such agency seeks to impose upon such debtor do not constitute claims, (c) notwithstanding that such plan purports to treat such debtor’s obligations to such agency, and (d) since it thus is not a named entity within § 1141(a))), as well as the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Holywell Corp. v. Smith, 503 U.S. 47, 58-59, 112 S.Ct. 1021, 1027-1028, 117 L.Ed.2d 196 (1992) (although creditors with pre-petition claims are bound by a confirmed plan pursuant to § 1141(a), post-petition creditors, because they do not fall within the reach of § 1141(a), are not so bound, even if such post-petition creditors are given a chance to object to a confirmed plan and they choose not to so object). The Court acknowledged in its May 27, 2005 decision that at least one exception apparently exists with respect to the rule that § 1141(a) describes the universe of parties that may be bound by a confirmed plan or confirmation order, but the Court held that such exception does not apply with respect to the I.R.S. in the instant matter. Such exception is when an individual or entity appears and participates in litigation regarding an issue dealt with by a confirmed plan or confirmation order, or is in privity with such an individual or entity, such that such individual or entity (a) rises to the level of a party with respect to such plan or order, and (b) is thus subsequently bound by such plan or order by virtue of an application of the doctrine of res judica-ta regardless of whether such individual or entity is named within § 1141(a). See Union Golf, 242 B.R. at 59 (citing, and then distinguishing, the decision in In re Justice Oaks II, Ltd., 898 F.2d 1544 (11th Cir.1990), which decision is cited by Plaintiffs but also distinguished by this Court from the matter herein). The Court is presently unaware of any other such exception, and to the extent that any of the cases cited by Plaintiffs for the proposition that individuals and entities may be bound even if not named in § 1141(a) stand on anything other than the exception as just described, the Court declines to follow such cases. The Court held on May 27, 2005, and holds at the present time as well, that the exception as just described does not apply to the I.R.S. in the instant matter because, even presuming arguendo that the I.R.S. was a party-in-interest with respect to the instant bankruptcy case pursuant to 11 U.S.C. § 1109(b), thereby providing the I.R.S. with the right to appear and participate, the I.R.S. chose not to so appear and participate and thus did not become a party for purposes of the doctrine of res judicata. In light of the foregoing, the Court held on May 27, 2005, and holds now, that the I.R.S. is not bound by the terms of the Plan and the Confirmation Order.

Plaintiffs contend that, even if, as the Court has now ruled, the I.R.S. is not bound by the terms of the Plan and the Confirmation Order so that the I.R.S. is free, if it so chooses ultimately, to challenge the Tax Credit Findings, the Court may nevertheless, by now granting to Plaintiffs the § 505(a)(1) declaratory relief that they seek via Count II, reaffirm, and thus thereby henceforth preclude the I.R.S. from challenging, the Tax Credit Findings. The Court finds that Plaintiffs are correct that, if, as Plaintiffs wish, the Court declares, pursuant to § 505(a)(1), that the pre-confirmation I.R.C. § 29 tax credits asserted to have been earned by the Debtor by way of the synthetic fuel that was produced pre-confirmation by the Briquetters (hereafter “the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits”) are valid or viable, then the Court necessarily will (a) have reaffirmed the Tax Credit Findings given that such tax credits are dependent upon the making of such findings, and (b) thereby preclude the I.R.S. henceforth from challenging such findings.

The I.R.S., for several reasons, contends that (a) the Court may not, pursuant to 11 U.S.C. § 505(a)(1), declare that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable, and (b) judgment should thus be granted in its favor at this time on Count II. First, the I.R.S. contends that § 505(a)(1), by its express terms, only grants to the Court authority to make a determination, that is a declaration, regarding an existent tax liability of a debt- or, not a declaration as to a mere tax issue that may impact upon a future tax liability of such debtor. The foregoing is fatal to Plaintiffs’ Count II, argues the I.R.S., because, it argues in turn, Plaintiffs, by seeking a declaration as to the validity or viability of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits, could not possibly seek presently a determination as to an existent tax liability given that a federal income tax return has yet to be filed with the I.R.S., either pre- or post-confirmation, that reflects the calculation of a tax liability predicated in part upon the utilization of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits. Second, the I.R.S. maintains that declaratory relief regarding the validity or viability of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits would be inappropriate at this time since, argues the I.R.S. in turn, it has not yet (a) disallowed the Pre-Confir-mation Tax Credits, or (b) challenged, for that matter, the Tax Credit Findings upon which such credits depend. Put differently, the I.R.S. contends that the declaratory judgment action as pled in Plaintiffs’ Count II is not ripe for adjudication by the Court at this time, that is that an actual controversy is not pled therein. Finally, the I.R.S. contends that (a) the Court, as a matter of law, lacks subject matter jurisdiction to rule upon a post-confirmation tax liability via § 505(a)(1), (b) the validity or viability of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits could only be relevant to a future post-confirmation tax liability given that a federal income tax return has yet to be filed with the I.R.S., either pre- or post-confirmation, that reflects the calculation of a tax liability predicated in part upon the utilization of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits, and (c) the Court thus lacks jurisdiction to rule upon the validity or viability of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits via § 505(a)(1).

Plaintiffs, as one would expect, take issue with each of the foregoing arguments of the I.R.S. First, Plaintiffs maintain that the Court, when ruling under § 505(a)(1), is not confined to only ruling upon existent tax liabilities of such debtor — Plaintiffs thus argue that the Court can, pursuant to § 505(a)(1), make determinations regarding tax issues that merely impact upon a future tax liability of a debtor. Second, the Court understands Plaintiffs to argue that, and because, the successful implementation of the Plan is based, in large part, upon a present adjudication that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable, a declaratory judgment action regarding the validity or viability of such credits is thus ripe for adjudication. Finally, Plaintiffs argue that (a) the Court may pass upon a post-confirmation tax liability provided that, to do so, it need only consider pre-confirmation events, and (b) the earning of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits constituted a pre-confirmation event.

For the reasons set forth below the Court determines that it (a) may not, pursuant to 11 U.S.C. § 505(a)(1), declare that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable, and (b) thus shall grant the I.R.S.’ motion for judgment on the pleadings with respect to Count II.

DISCUSSION

1. What Plaintiffs actually seek via their Count II.

As an initial matter, the Court wishes to address the following representation made by Plaintiffs in one of their last responses to the I.R.S.’ motion for judgment on the pleadings:

Plaintiffs are seeking reaffirmation of factual findings contained in the Confirmation Order that relate to facts that predate the bankruptcy case. These facts lay the factual foundation for entitlement to tax credits as of the date on which the Debtor filed its petition for relief under Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code. The legal result which may follow that factual determination is not presently at issue here.

See Pis.’ Br. dat. 5/25/05, at p. 4 (Resp.# 5). By making such a statement, what Plaintiffs essentially thereby represent to the Court is that, via their Count II, all that they wish to obtain in the way of relief is a reaffirmation of the Tax Credit Findings rather than, as well, a declaration that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable. The Court disagrees with such representation by Plaintiffs for two reasons. First, Plaintiffs, throughout their papers, make clear that they also wish to obtain a declaration from the Court that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable. Second, and perhaps more importantly, if what Plaintiffs wish to obtain via their Count II is a reaffirmation of the Tax Credit Findings that will now be binding upon the I.R.S. (and there is no question that such is precisely that which is sought by Plaintiffs), then Plaintiffs must (a) attempt to proceed under § 505(a)(1), as they in fact expressly seek to do via such count, given that such statutory provision is the only conceivable avenue by which Plaintiffs can so bind the I.R.S., (b) seek a tax-related declaration given that such is solely that which is the subject of § 505(a)(1), and (c) hope that, as a matter of law, they may obtain, via § 505(a)(1), a declaration regarding but a tax issue that impacts upon a tax liability of the Debtor, namely the validity or viability of the tax credits that depend upon the Tax Credit Findings, that is the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits.

The Court rules that a § 505(a)(1) declaratory judgment action is the only conceivable avenue by which Plaintiffs can obtain a reaffirmation of the Tax Credit Findings that will be binding upon the I.R.S. (a) because, even if Plaintiffs are correct that this Court, as a bankruptcy court, is not restricted by the Declaratory Judgment Act, 28 U.S.C. § 2201(a), in the type of federal tax-related declaratory judgment actions that it can preside over, “courts of bankruptcy, like any other courts, [nevertheless] have no power to afford declaratory relief unless affirmatively authorized to do so by some statutory provision,” In re Becker’s Motor Transportation, Inc., 632 F.2d 242, 247 (3rd Cir.1980), and (b) since § 505(a)(1) is the only statutory provision that provides such affirmative authorization vis-a-vis the Tax Credit Findings that will be binding upon the I.R.S., see Id. (citing the Bankruptcy Act precursor to § 505(a)(1), as well as the Bankruptcy Act precursor to 11 U.S.C. § 105(a), as statutory provisions providing authorization to render declaratory judgments vis-a-vis federal tax claims). The Court holds that § 505(a)(1) provides the only statutory authorization for the declaratory relief that Plaintiffs seek for several reasons. First, § 105(a), by itself, does not provide the Court with sufficient authorization to render a declaratory judgment vis-a-vis a tax issue of a type that would be inconsistent with that which can be granted via § 505(a)(1). See In re Kaplan, 104 F.3d 589, 598 (3rd Cir.1997) (“The broad powers granted to the bankruptcy court under section 105 are insufficient alone to authorize” relief that would otherwise be unavailable under the Code). Second, the Court summarily holds, Plaintiffs’ contrary pleas notwithstanding, that 11 U.S.C. § 1142(b) does not provide the Court with authority to grant declaratory relief that would be at odds with that which can be granted via § 505(a)(1) — in fact, the Court questions whether § 1142(b) can provide authority for the grant of any type of declaratory relief. Third, the Court summarily rejects Plaintiffs’ contention that 11 U.S.C. § 541(a)(1) provides the Court with authority to grant declaratory relief as to the validity or viability of a tax credit. True, § 541(a)(1) vests the Court with authority to determine whether a tax credit constitutes property of a debtor’s bankruptcy estate; however, § 541(a)(1) does not give the Court independent authority to do what cannot be done via § 505(a)(1), namely render an advisory opinion as to the validity or viability of such tax credit once it is determined that such tax credit is property of such bankruptcy estate. Finally, neither the decision in U.S. v. Energy Resources Co., Inc., 495 U.S. 545, 110 S.Ct. 2139, 109 L.Ed.2d 580 (1990), upon which decision Plaintiffs heavily rely, nor the primary statutory authority for the decision therein, that is 11 U.S.C. § 1123(b)(6), see Energy Resources, 495 U.S. at 549, 110 S.Ct. at 2142 (the Supreme Court actually utilized § 1123(b)(5), which is the precursor to the present-day § 1123(b)(6)), authorize this Court to grant declaratory relief regarding the Tax Credit Findings that will bind the I.R.S. With respect to the Energy Resources decision itself, the same is readily distinguishable from the instant matter because, whereas the I.R.S. was a creditor and a party that was bound by a plan and confirmation order in Energy Resources, the I.R.S. is not a creditor and such a party in the instant matter. Not surprisingly then, § 1123(b)(6), upon which the Energy Resources court heavily relied, is of no use regarding authority for the declaratory relief that Plaintiffs seek herein given that (a) such statutory provision provides for nothing other than a plan to “include any other appropriate provision not inconsistent with the applicable provisions of this title,” 11 U.S.C.A. § 1123(b)(6) (West 2004), and (b) a plan provision thus authorized regarding the Tax Credit Findings— which plan provision actually exists in the Plan and the Confirmation Order — nevertheless could not, indeed cannot, for reasons already discussed, bind the I.R.S.

Therefore, and contrary to the substance of the above representation by Plaintiffs, what Plaintiffs seek via their Count II is, at bottom, a declaration, pursuant to § 505(a)(1), that the Pre-Confir-mation Tax Credits are valid or viable.

II. Whether Plaintiffs can obtain a § 505(a)(1) declaration that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable?

Having held that what Plaintiffs seek via them Count II is, and that § 505(a)(1) is the only conceivable avenue by which Plaintiffs can obtain, a declaration that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable, the Court next holds that Plaintiffs cannot obtain, via § 505(a)(1), such declaration. The Court so holds for several reasons, each of which was advanced by the I.R.S. in support of its motion for judgment on the pleadings. First, the Court, when ruling under § 505(a)(1), is, as a matter of law, confined to only ruling upon existent tax liabilities of a debtor, that is the Court cannot, pursuant to § 505(a)(1), make determinations regarding tax issues that merely impact upon a future tax liability of a debtor. See In re Grand Chevrolet, Inc., 153 B.R. 296, 298-300 (C.D.Cal.1993) (“there is no grant of jurisdiction [under § 505] to decide issues that are antecedent to the determination of tax liability” and no such jurisdictional grant “to determine one issue that will affect the amount of a tax liability on a tax return not yet filed”); In re Inter Urban Broadcasting of Cincinnati, Inc., 180 B.R. 153, 155-156 (Bankr.E.D.La.1995) (same). Second, Plaintiffs, by seeking a declaration as to the validity or viability of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits, necessarily seek a determination that cannot be made under § 505(a)(1). The Court so rules because Plaintiffs cannot possibly seek presently a determination as to an existent tax liability predicated in part upon the utilization of the PreConfirmation Tax Credits given that a federal income tax return has yet to be filed with the I.R.S., either pre- or post-confirmation, that reflects the calculation of such a tax liability. Third, Plaintiffs’ declaratory judgment action regarding the validity or viability of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits is not presently ripe for adjudication since the I.R.S. has not yet (a) disallowed the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits, or (b) challenged the Tax Credit Findings upon which such credits depend. See Grand Chevrolet, 153 B.R. at 299 (no denial by the I.R.S. of tax status sought by the Trustee and “more than a belief that the I.R.S. will deny the consolidated status is necessary to ripen the claim”); Inter Urban Broadcasting, 180 B.R. at 156. That the successful implementation of the Plan is based, in large part, upon a present adjudication that the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits are valid or viable — even if true — does not alter the foregoing conclusion that Plaintiffs’ Count II request for declaratory relief is presently not ripe for adjudication. See Inter Urban Broadcasting, 180 B.R. at 155-156 (that the debtor may not make distributions pursuant to a confirmed plan absent the declaratory judgment sought by the debtor “do[es] not get around the problem that the [declaratory judgment] complaint ... is not ripe for a decision as to the IRS”). Finally, substantial case authority exists for the proposition that a bankruptcy court, as a matter of law, may not pass upon a post-confirmation tax liability under § 505(a)(1), not even if such court can do so by only considering pre-confirmation events. See In re Stayner, 185 B.R. 557, 563 (Bankr.N.D.Ill.1995); In re Holly’s, Inc., 172 B.R. 545, 562 (Bankr.W.D.Mich.1994); In re Maley, 152 B.R. 789, 792 (Bankr.W.D.N.Y.1992); In re Hartman Material Handling Systems, Inc., 141 B.R. 802, 812-813 (Bankr.S.D.N.Y.1992). Furthermore, even if contrary case authority — i.e., authority to the effect that a bankruptcy court can utilize § 505(a) to make a declaration regarding a post-confirmation tax liability provided that it can do so by only considering pre-confirmation events, see O’Cheskey v. United States, 2001 WL 1658144 at *18 (N.D.Tex.2001) — is correct, such authority is of no use to Plaintiffs herein given that (a) not even a post-confirmation tax liability predicated in part upon the utilization of the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits presently exists of which the Court is aware that could be the subject of a declaratory judgment action under § 505(a), and (b) any such post-confirmation tax liability, even were it to exist, necessarily could not be ruled upon without also considering post-confirmation events such as, for example, the earning of income sufficient to offset the taking of such tax credits.

In light of the foregoing, the Court holds that Plaintiffs cannot obtain a declaration, pursuant to § 505(a)(1), that the Pre-Con-firmation Tax Credits are valid or viable. Therefore, Plaintiffs cannot obtain the relief that they seek via their Count II under any set of circumstances. Thus, the Court shall grant the I.R.S.’ motion for judgment on the pleadings with respect to Count II.

CONCLUSION

For all of the foregoing reasons, the I.R.S.’ motion for judgment on the pleadings shall be granted with respect to Count II.

An appropriate order will be entered.

ORDER OF COURT

AND NOW, this 30th day of June, 2005, for the reasons set forth in the accompanying Memorandum Opinion of the same date;

and in light of the Court’s Order dated May 27, 2005, in the same adversary proceeding;

and after notice and a hearing held on May 26, 2005, regarding the I.R.S.’ motion for judgment on the pleadings;

and having taken into account the additional arguments made by the parties in their respective briefs filed subsequent to the May 26, 2005 hearing,

it is hereby ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED that the I.R.S.’ motion for judgment on the pleadings is GRANTED with respect to both Counts II and III of Plaintiffs’ three-count adversary action. 
      
      . Plaintiffs cite to the decisions in Stoll v. Gottlieb, 305 U.S. 165, 172, 59 S.Ct. 134, 137-138, 83 L.Ed. 104 (1938), and Nordhoff Investments, Inc. v. Zenith Electronics Corp., 258 F.3d 180, 190 (3rd Cir.2001), as additional authority for the proposition that the I.R.S. is presently bound by the Plan and the Confirmation Order. Unfortunately for Plaintiffs, such decisions do not support their position. The Stoll decision is inapplicable to the instant matter because it is entirely predicated upon an application of the doctrine of res judicata, see Stoll, 305 U.S. at 171-177, 59 S.Ct. at 137-140, which doctrine, as just set forth, does not apply to bind the I.R.S. to the terms of the Plan and the Confirmation Order. As for the decision in Nordhoff Investments, it provides little aid to Plaintiffs’ cause in this Court given that it involved an application of the equitable mootness doctrine, which doctrine apparently provides nothing more than an equitable basis for an appellate tribunal — which this Court obviously is not— to dismiss a bankruptcy appeal that respects a confirmed plan, see Nordhoff Investments, 258 F.3d at 184-185.
     
      
      . Because the Court grants the I.R.S.' motion for judgment on the pleadings with respect to all of the counts for which the I.R.S. is named as a party defendant, the Court need not, and thus will not, address the I.R.S.’ position that, by virtue of the doctrine of sovereign immunity, it may not presently be sued by Plaintiffs.
     
      
      . Plaintiffs appear to so argue because they argue, in turn, that a bankruptcy court is not a "court of the United States” within the meaning of the Declaratory Judgment Act, thus freeing such a court from the confines of such statute, which statute operates to substantially limit a "court of the United States” in its ability to render declaratory judgments vis-a-vis federal tax issues.
     
      
      . 11 U.S.C. § 1142(b) only authorizes the Court to "direct the debtor and any other necessary party” to take particular actions. It does not provide authorization for a grant of declaratory relief. As an aside, it would appear that the I.R.S. cannot be a "necessary party” within the meaning of § 1142(b) since the I.R.S., as set forth above, is neither a party that can be bound by the Plan and the Confirmation Order nor is a party for purposes of res judicata.
      
     
      
      . Plaintiffs also appear to argue that a declaratory judgment action regarding the Tax Credit Findings is presently ripe for adjudication because (a) the Debtor took depreciation deductions with respect to the Briquetters on its 1998 and 1999 federal income tax returns, and (b) such depreciation deductions, argues Plaintiffs, could only have been taken if the placed in service requirements of I.R.C. § 29 with respect to the Briquetters were met (that such requirements were met, of course, constitutes the substance of much, if not all, of the Tax Credit Findings). The Court identifies at least three problems with the preceding argument by Plaintiffs. First, as the Court understands it, whether the Debtor was eligible to take tax depreciation on the Briquetters in 1998 and 1999 depends not upon whether the Briquetters were placed in service within the meaning of I.R.C. § 29 but rather upon whether the Debtor satisfied depreciation eligibility requirements imposed by I.R.C. §§ 167 — 168 vis-a-vis such machinery (i.e., whether such machinery was owned and used during 1998 and 1999). Second, that the Debtor owned and used such machinery during 1998 and 1999 could not, by itself, establish that such machinery also met all of the placed in service requirements imposed by I.R.C. § 29 given that at least one of the requisite deadlines under § 29 substantially predates 1998 — i.e., the requirement in I.R.C. § 29(g)(1)(A) that facilities be placed in service "pursuant to a binding written contract in effect before January 1, 1997.” Finally, that the Debtor took tax depreciation on the Briquetters in 1998 and 1999 does not even serve to make ripe for adjudication at this time whether such depreciation deductions were proper given (a) that, as the Court understands it, the I.R.S. thus far has neither disallowed nor even challenged the propriety of such deductions, and (b) that a case or controversy regarding such deductions thus presently does not exist.
     
      
      . The lone case cited by Plaintiffs that the Court finds of any note on the issues of ripeness and the applicability of § 505(a) to a tax question presented before a bankruptcy court is In re Popa, 218 B.R. 420 (Bankr.N.D.Ill.1998), wherein it was held that a declaration regarding the availability of the I.R.C. § 121 homestead exclusion to a bankruptcy estate was warranted under § 505(a), and was ripe as well, notwithstanding that a tax return had not yet been filed wherein was reflected both a sale of the subject realty and the taking of such exclusion. The Court frankly is persuaded neither by the distinction that the Popa court draws between the facts of its case and those presented in Grand Chevrolet and Inter Urban Broadcasting nor by the Popa court’s analysis in general vis-a-vis the issues for which Plaintiffs herein cite to such decision. Nevertheless, even if the Popa decision is correct, such decision can be distinguished from the instant matter — at least with respect to the issue of ripeness- — -given that the tax exclusion issue raised in Popa was certain to result in a controversy between the bankruptcy trustee therein and the I.R.S. if such trustee attempted to sell the subject realty rather than abandon the same, whereas in (he instant matter it is speculative at best whether (a) the Pre-Confirmation Tax Credits could ever be utilized (indeed, the I.R.S. maintains that such tax credits, even if they were at one time valid or viable, now have lapsed), and (b) a controversy would thus ever arise between Plaintiffs and the I.R.S.
     
      
      . Plaintiffs contend, in their last brief at page 6, that, "[i]f the Court properly asserted jurisdiction to make placed in service findings in June, 2000 when it confirmed the [P]lan, then it certainly has jurisdiction to reaffirm such findings today." Unfortunately for Plaintiffs, the Court lacked jurisdiction to bind the I.R.S. in June 2000 even if it had jurisdiction, perhaps via § 1123(b)(6) for instance, to otherwise then make such findings. Because the predicate for such argument by Plaintiffs fails, the argument itself, of course, necessarily also fails.
     